Methusela6: so rhythm as in relates to literature?
Methusela6: it
watermellon72: oh ya
watermellon72: I don't know...I was thinking about what he was saying about my thesis
watermellon72: he suggested that it would contain a lot of long complicated lines and that they should be broken up by a few short sentances
watermellon72: Like hemingway versus Faulkner
Methusela6: The organization of a beat.
Methusela6: I think the beat in lain against the "groove" as structure. The 4/4 time, the 3 scaffold scenes in Hawthorne
watermellon72: Never read howthorne
Methusela6: Basically, there three dividing points to the scarlet letter
watermellon72: hmmm interesting I'll have to read that
Methusela6: each one takes place atop a scaffolding, they allow you come back to a central point, to see what developed since the last one. Like the main, base line in some jazz.
Methusela6: I like Hemingway saying that he tried to write the most honest sentence he possibly could, getting rid of all superflous information. The beat as truth.
watermellon72: short steccato beats for hemingway
Methusela6: Whereas sometimes more complex writers, a la Faulkner, make it more difficult to find the underlining connections.
watermellon72: I had to learn to appreciate the rapid rythm of his works
Methusela6: For example, the three movements in the sound and the fury only are made clear when taken as a cohesive whole
watermellon72: bigger words and more complicated sentance structure weaves a more intricate rythem
Methusela6: Benji's narrative is garbly as a stand all alone.
watermellon72: theres four movements in the sound and the fury
watermellon72: right
Methusela6: What's the maids name?
Methusela6: yes
Methusela6: benjy quentin jason and....
Methusela6: beat beat beat beat
watermellon72: I don't know the maids name
Methusela6: the base line is usually some past piece of literature, like the Christ figure, reoccurs a la old man and the sea
Methusela6: something for Hemingway to Riff off of
Methusela6: the rythm of our collective past
watermellon72: ok
watermellon72: hmmm
watermellon72: interesting point
watermellon72: I see benji's narritive like the rythem of a city street
Methusela6: chaos as rhythm
Methusela6: cacophony69 anyone?
watermellon72: disjointed and sparadic yet all apart of what makes up Benji
watermellon72: haha
watermellon72: I get it
watermellon72: kind of
Methusela6: The beat serves as structure, theme, and interlace.
watermellon72: Quintin is a long slow rythem
watermellon72: a sad ode to his former self
watermellon72: and the last was methodical
Methusela6: I see Benji as without unifying rhythm. Whereas Quintin gave in to the rhythm of the ticking clock, the ordered universe with no freedom, only suicide
watermellon72: like a bass line
Methusela6: yet Benji might be considered most free, doesn't care about being understood. like trey
watermellon72: and the maid's story was like a southern baptist hymn...joyous and full of hope
watermellon72: so you're saying are teachers retarded?
watermellon72: bad boy!
Methusela6: i didn't!
watermellon72: oh but you made that association
watermellon72: I think he's creative
watermellon72: and ingenious
watermellon72: haha
Methusela6: I was saying that what is put out there is put out there, and any unifying theory still lives room for interpretation. The ambigiouity of great art. Asskisser
watermellon72: haha
watermellon72: ya sure backpeddle now that you already made that insulting statement
Methusela6: I was really seeing Grendal in form of movements.
Methusela6: There is freedom within each chapter...however
Methusela6: only in a limited sense as it relates to the zodiac as well as the poem Beowulf
Methusela6: Beat drives form
watermellon72: I felt that the story was flowing then started to fall apart after his removal from exile
Methusela6: He finally had gained so much structure that by chapter 10 he became free.
Methusela6: He became secure in what or who he was
watermellon72: Grendel is limited in his rythem and form by our cultural context and language
Methusela6: exactly, as are we
Methusela6: any sort of break from that and you dance on the razor of insanity
watermellon72: ok....I can see that....I was looking at it as a breaking away from his superior mental state as he became apart of the danes social make up
Methusela6: what is truth? It can only be put into language within the confides of something.......
Methusela6: The individual vs. the group. The band vs. Prince alone in the studio
Methusela6: Copyright vs. freedom
watermellon72: whish is more creative
watermellon72: conforming to your own artistic standards is higher than conforming to a group
Methusela6: well, by Grendel losing himself, he gained himself....i think somebody said something like that before (Jesus maybe)
watermellon72: and you don't really conform when the standards are your own
watermellon72: no he had himself and lost himself in social conformity
Methusela6: or Soren Kirkegarrd said the group is evil, losing yourself makes you not free to make rational desision. I think the question is what "groove" do you pick. But you MUST pick one, or you are lost
watermellon72: by playing the role of the monster
Methusela6: smoking pot and playing nintendo
watermellon72: he had a choice to cast off that archetype
watermellon72: and didn't
watermellon72: I'm am suddenly reminded of that lovely music from the first mario
Methusela6: the monster, it was so much bigger than that. He took the skin or mask laid for him, put it on, and made it his own. Like someones interpretation on Mozart
Methusela6: to make it your own
watermellon72: ok ok
watermellon72: I see that>
{blog 3. I had my life spin around the tiny orb of this project all week, eventually culminating in a last minute, tape recorderless project. I met with Crystal in the academic success center, to find a way we could semi-get everything done in time for class. We spoke relativly little, trying to seclude our conversation to typing, however do to our proximity occasional outbursts. Better information would be my reasoning for not having someone record the conversation with me. Put simply, the person I was supposed to do it with went insane. He was always bordering on lines of reality and fantasy, deliusion and transendance, struture and chaos. However a few nights ago, he took the crazy train all the way to disjunction ju...nevermind...I had lost my first person to their mind, and decided to put all weight of success upon my girlfriend. However, chaos took control of the situation again, causing a second rift in my life. I tried to set a plan in motion, create rhythm and it was uprooted. It causes me to think that true rhythm can only be seen in retrospect. Each beat, is seperate onto itself, and if you are thinking about the next one, you most likly will misplay the note that you are supposedly on. All the participants must be willing for something to work. Otherwise, they have to leave the band. The urgency for creation can be manifest in those penultimate moments of procrastination, that lays a seed, saying, I must do this, time is running out. The spirit of what makes that final push, external or internal, a desire to fill oneself, or to get a "grade", may be important. I do not know though, the question of motives in relation to a final project serves to ask in what spirit was this done, and in the purpose clear}
Blog 4
http://idh4000rhetoricsofrhythm.pbwiki.com/January-10-Blog-2?doneSave=1/
I have to link Crystal's page, because she is the one who i did the assignment with. She has a completly different take on what occured, interpreting things with a postive spin as opposed to something that says we are slackers.
http://idh4000rhetoricsofrhythm.pbwiki.com/David_Wiki_Page
I just really enjoyed David's musings. Aestetically (sic) it was just cool.
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