Methusela6 (5:21:13 PM): my bad spelling proceeds me

Methusela6 (5:21:52 PM): so rhythm as in relates to literature?

Methusela6 (5:21:54 PM): it

watermellon72 (5:22:00 PM): oh ya

watermellon72 (5:22:30 PM): I don't know...I was thinking about what he was saying about my thesis

watermellon72 (5:23:16 PM): he suggested that it would contain a lot of long complicated lines and that they should be broken up by a few short sentances

watermellon72 (5:23:30 PM): Like hemingway versus Faulkner

Methusela6 (5:24:12 PM): The organization of a beat.

Methusela6 (5:24:50 PM): I think the beat in lain against the "groove" as structure. The 4/4 time, the 3 scaffold scenes in Hawthorne

watermellon72 (5:25:18 PM): Never read howthorne

Methusela6 (5:25:43 PM): Basically, there three dividing points to the scarlet letter

watermellon72 (5:26:18 PM): hmmm interesting I'll have to read that

Methusela6 (5:26:25 PM): each one takes place atop a scaffolding, they allow you come back to a central point, to see what developed since the last one. Like the main, base line in some jazz.

Methusela6 (5:27:13 PM): I like Hemingway saying that he tried to write the most honest sentence he possibly could, getting rid of all superflous information. The beat as truth.

watermellon72 (5:27:40 PM): short steccato beats for hemingway

Methusela6 (5:27:59 PM): Whereas sometimes more complex writers, a la Faulkner, make it more difficult to find the underlining connections.

watermellon72 (5:28:05 PM): I had to learn to appreciate the rapid rythm of his works

Methusela6 (5:28:29 PM): For example, the three movements in the sound and the fury only are made clear when taken as a cohesive whole

watermellon72 (5:28:50 PM): bigger words and more complicated sentance structure weaves a more intricate rythem

Methusela6 (5:29:05 PM): Benji's narrative is garbly as a stand all alone.

watermellon72 (5:29:10 PM): theres four movements in the sound and the fury

watermellon72 (5:29:14 PM): right

Methusela6 (5:29:17 PM): What's the maids name?

Methusela6 (5:29:18 PM): yes

Methusela6 (5:29:29 PM): benjy quentin jason and....

Methusela6 (5:29:40 PM): beat beat beat beat

watermellon72 (5:30:03 PM): I don't know the maids name

Methusela6 (5:30:22 PM): the base line is usually some past piece of literature, like the Christ figure, reoccurs a la old man and the sea

Methusela6 (5:30:28 PM): something for Hemingway to Riff off of

Methusela6 (5:30:38 PM): the rythm of our collective past

watermellon72 (5:30:40 PM): ok

watermellon72 (5:30:43 PM): hmmm

watermellon72 (5:30:47 PM): interesting point

watermellon72 (5:31:04 PM): I see benji's narritive like the rythem of a city street

Methusela6 (5:31:23 PM): chaos as rhythm

Methusela6 (5:31:27 PM): cacophony69 anyone?

watermellon72 (5:31:30 PM): disjointed and sparadic yet all apart of what makes up Benji

watermellon72 (5:31:32 PM): haha

watermellon72 (5:31:35 PM): I get it

watermellon72 (5:31:38 PM): kind of

Methusela6 (5:32:01 PM): The beat serves as structure, theme, and interlace.

watermellon72 (5:32:10 PM): Quintin is a long slow rythem

watermellon72 (5:32:19 PM): a sad ode to his former self

watermellon72 (5:32:39 PM): and the last was methodical

Methusela6 (5:32:42 PM): I see Benji as without unifying rhythm. Whereas Quintin gave in to the rhythm of the ticking clock, the ordered universe with no freedom, only suicide

watermellon72 (5:32:43 PM): like a bass line

Methusela6 (5:33:12 PM): yet Benji might be considered most free, doesn't care about being understood. like trey

watermellon72 (5:33:19 PM): and the maid's story was like a southern baptist hymn...joyous and full of hope

watermellon72 (5:33:39 PM): so you're saying are teachers retarded?

watermellon72 (5:33:44 PM): bad boy!

Methusela6 (5:33:49 PM): i didn't!

watermellon72 (5:33:59 PM): oh but you made that association

watermellon72 (5:34:19 PM): I think he's creative

watermellon72 (5:34:24 PM): and ingenious

watermellon72 (5:34:26 PM): haha

Methusela6 (5:34:33 PM): I was saying that what is put out there is put out there, and any unifying theory still lives room for interpretation. The ambigiouity of great art. Asskisser

watermellon72 (5:34:44 PM): haha

watermellon72 (5:35:05 PM): ya sure backpeddle now that you already made that insulting statement

Methusela6 (5:35:21 PM): I was really seeing Grendal in form of movements.

Methusela6 (5:35:38 PM): There is freedom within each chapter...however

Methusela6 (5:35:59 PM): only in a limited sense as it relates to the zodiac as well as the poem Beowulf

watermellon72 (5:36:08 PM): I felt that the story was flowing then started to fall apart after his removal from exile

Methusela6 (5:36:09 PM): Beat drives form

Methusela6 (5:36:34 PM): He finally had gained so much structure that by chapter 10 he became free.

Methusela6 (5:36:43 PM): He became secure in what or who he was

watermellon72 (5:36:50 PM): Grendel is limited in his rythem and form by our cultural context and language

Methusela6 (5:37:05 PM): exactly, as are we

Methusela6 (5:37:26 PM): any sort of break from that and you dance on the razor of insanity

watermellon72 (5:37:45 PM): ok....I can see that....I was looking at it as a breaking away from his superior mental state as he became apart of the danes social make up

Methusela6 (5:37:56 PM): what is truth? It can only be put into language within the confides of something.......

Methusela6 (5:38:24 PM): The individual vs. the group. The band vs. Prince alone in the studio

Methusela6 (5:38:33 PM): Copyright vs. freedom

watermellon72 (5:38:43 PM): whish is more creative

watermellon72 (5:39:05 PM): conforming to your own artistic standards is higher than conforming to a group

Methusela6 (5:39:16 PM): well, by Grendel losing himself, he gained himself....i think somebody said something like that before (Jesus maybe)

watermellon72 (5:39:32 PM): and you don't really conform when the standards are your own

watermellon72 (5:40:00 PM): no he had himself and lost himself in social conformity

watermellon72 (5:40:12 PM): by playing the role of the monster

Methusela6 (5:40:13 PM): or Soren Kirkegarrd said the group is evil, losing yourself makes you not free to make rational desision. I think the question is what "groove" do you pick. But you MUST pick one, or you are lost

Methusela6 (5:40:22 PM): smoking pot and playing nintendo

watermellon72 (5:40:29 PM): he had a choice to cast off that archetype

watermellon72 (5:40:30 PM): and didn't

watermellon72 (5:41:10 PM): I'm am suddenly reminded of that lovely music from the first mario

Methusela6 (5:41:39 PM): the monster, it was so much bigger than that. He took the skin or mask laid for him, put it on, and made it his own. Like someones interpretation on Mozart

Methusela6 (5:41:51 PM): to make it your own

watermellon72 (5:42:09 PM): ok ok

watermellon72 (5:42:11 PM): I see that